My first attempt at a "blog", whatever that means.

It seems that HP agrees that the Win8 UI is problematic.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2089403/ouch-hp-brings-windows-7-back-by-popular-demand.html

Sure, MS is rumored to be perhaps thinking about maybe bringing the start button back.  I wonder if this might open their eyes a bit.

 


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on Jan 22, 2014

RedneckDude
One thing I don't understand. How did my Windows 8.1 rig sync with my iPad?

I opened the iPad today, after a week or so of non use, and I see that Safari has synced with IE and all my favorites have synced. Didn't see that coming.

 

either via iTunes when you plug-in your device. or via iCloud.

http://www.howtogeek.com/175294/how-to-sync-any-browsers-bookmarks-with-your-ipad-or-iphone/

 

personally i keep my bookmarks synced with Yandex.Browser which i use on all my devices, and have almost no bookmarks in Safari.

 

may i suggest Pocket, it's a very nice service for "temporary bookmarks" (stuff you want to read later or on an other device)

http://getpocket.com/

on Jan 22, 2014

RedneckDude
I did find some stuff on the web about making your own UEFI install with an 8 iso.

It's very easy to do, I've done it on 2 devices, one of which actually was shipped with W7 originally...it also is how you get the full backup functionality from doing a clean 8.1 install...

on Jan 23, 2014



Quoting benmanns, reply 4I think the problem is Hardware based not Software based It is by far easier to blame someone else than to confess that the cause lies within your own roots...I had a HP-system - waste of money and it perfomed like a 386 compared to equal systemsNo OS can change that Still a good thing for those that want Windows7 but the wrong choice of Hardware in my eyes.

That's not going to be the case...as it is 'alleged' that 8 is lighter than 7......eg, you know...it boots faster [desktop [for what it's worth] functions sooner because a lot of loading is hidden in background]....

The slow take-up of 8 is not 'because' there is a lot of perfectly good functioning 7's around.....as the same would have been said for 7...because there was a lot of perfectly good XP's around.  The difference is that 7 was seen as an improvement worth getting....and 8 simply is NOT.

Yes, a lot of people have tablets, etc....but you still need to look at new PC sales percentages/increases to 8's uptake....and again here is someone saying 'nope, 8 is a dud....we'll stay with what the customer asks for'....

Spin it all you want...but MS needs to thank Stardock for providing so many of its [MS] customers with sanity-saving software functionality.....


It may be the OS that comes along with it sure since some people demand 7
What i was refering to is that no matter how fast the OS the hardware still isnt the greatest.
You could get linux and it would still not perfom equal to a self build rig, the performance per (dollar/Euro) you get is just to low on HP systems sorry.
And that might aswell be a reason to try jumping back to windows7...
We will know for sure the next time they balme slow sales once again on something 

on Jan 23, 2014



I have no issue modifying MY 8 to work correctly....but I do have an issue with MS thinking they got it right....only to see real evidence they did not. 

Well when was the last time a consumer that paid 200+ bucks for an OS, was totally Happy - i know i sure wasnt with windows7, on standart without 3rd party software its fugly same as 8 just a different style of uglyness, also just look at the IE explorer NAV buttons in windows7
  Design just isnt MS thing the priority is speed and stability... 

I am conversely quite happy they showed themselves to be so arrogant and stupid at the same time...because it meant that Stardock saw a tidy income correcting their idiocy.
Yupp good for SD, if they have gained enough, what i hope i would love to see them invent a windows8 START - that is skinnable im sure we can make it pretty also. (what i have in mind customizeable tiles background frames animated backgrounds) I guess the demand or the num bers arent high enough yet to work on something like that to be spitting out enough profit. ( i can understand that since so many hate on 8 )

An OS should not NEED outside help to make it acceptable to its purchasers... not if the Vendor actually correctly/fully understood its customers' needs/expectations.

I agree but like i mentioned before they would have needed better tutorials... 
And to this two edged sword- some can and do like it... even folks that first said its shit / Only Kona is still confused he sometimes likes it then again he doesnt.

Would like to add im currently testing a windows8 phone i have no clue about smartphones well a little but im not used to them...
if you have fat fingers like i do, navigating through the menu or typing text on a tiny corner of the screen is horrible
Wonder why nobody is complaining about that ? Its frustrating seriously 

on Jan 23, 2014

neone6


Quoting Jafo, reply 27'mea culpa' .... = "My mistake" -for all those who didn´t know what it meant

-As Jafo said MS is trying to rectify their mistake without admitting wrongdoing on their part, question is how far they are willing to go...


Andy i don´t see many mistakes unless one and that isnt the interface
a system for multiple platforms / STILL useable and functioning no matter how you turn it the only thing forgotten :
liveapps should be able to run on the desktop without 3rd party software.

The Design is as always not the greatest, but that is only my opinion
It sounds like you do agree with Jafo that because a touch inspired interface was added to a desktop PC the whole thing is a mistake.
So everyone who enjoys Windows8 is mistaken aswell since its not compelling to the mass -? ok    




 

on Jan 23, 2014

benmanns
ok
I stand for my post.

 

 

 

-Leaving the thread for fun, games & skinning .......

on Jan 23, 2014

9 is coming out in 2015 ....so MS can distance itself from the mistake they won't publicly concede 8 has been.

It's not a 'mistake' because I say so....it's a mistake because MS says so [under their breath]....

on Jan 23, 2014

I think MS is seeing the whole thing different- like a test
A test that showed that there was a demand for change (number of licenses sold and disks)
So they don´t see it as mistake (since a mistake is defined as a characteristic value that does not meet the prescribed requirements or non-fullfillment of a requirement) while the requirement was reached the first month for MS in sales to cover costs.
Im sure there will be several versions office oldschool and multimedia make sure you pick the right one 
We can be glad that MS isnt EA 
(the video is a parodie its not actually  John Riccitiello)
but it fits in my eyes /At least some got the Startbutton back in MS

on Jan 23, 2014

benmanns
Only Kona is still confused he sometimes likes it then again he doesnt.

For me it really depends on what hardware I am installing 8 on. I tried on my current hardware, ran like crap compared to 7. And I have never been a big fan of the whole Metro UI. 

on Jan 23, 2014

I was working on a Windows 8 laptop today for a client.  Having the touchscreen on the laptop was nice, but I was trying to address a WiFi issue she was having.  Normally I would go into the saved/preferred network list and alter connection info.  For whatever reason, Microsoft removed the preferred list GUI from Windows 8.  Wtf?  Apparently there is still network info being saved, but you have to alter it using netshell commands.  Again, Wtf?

Hoping this does what I need it to do
http://www.thewindowsclub.com/wifi-profile-manager-windows-8

on Jan 23, 2014

BernieTime
And I have never been a big fan of the whole Metro UI.

I don't know too many who are, but as I explained to you the other day, there is no need to ever see it unless you want to, and the free start button replacement program I recommended will bypass it for you.

on Jan 23, 2014

Not the point Mark. You shouldn't need third party apps to fix functionality in an OS. Besides, 8 runs very slow compared to XP and 7 on my setup. 8 literally is so slow it takes minutes to do anything that takes seconds in 7.

By the way the boot times of 8 aren't as fast as you make them out to be.

on Jan 23, 2014

Kona, that's YOUR rig/setup.

 

I have two PCs and a laptop, all run 8 very fast.

 

IF Mark has a UEFI BIOS, AND a UEFI version of Windows 8, he'll get very fast boots, but they are booting from a hybrid state of hibernation, not a full shutdown.

There is all kinds of info on this matter on the web.

 

Unless you make your own UEFI Disc/ISO for windows 8 (also info on the web as to how you do this), OEM PCs are the only ones with this capability.

on Jan 24, 2014

Point taken and thank you RedNeckDude.

By the way Starkers, not trying to be rude, but if you are going to such lengths to get around using the Metro UI and making 8 look like 7, then why not just use 7?

on Jan 24, 2014

kona0197


By the way Starkers, not trying to be rude, but if you are going to such lengths to get around using the Metro UI and making 8 look like 7, then why not just use 7?

 

I can answer that, because 8 is better with resources. It is ugly, but it runs smoother, uses resources better.

I've said this before, but as an example:

I run 5 monitors on a rig dual booted with 7 and 8.1. 2 GFX cards, 16 GB Ram, a six core CPU and two SSDs.

The 7 boot runs Dreams on all 5 monitors very jumpy and draggy. WindowFX only works correctly on 3 monitors hooked to the same gfx card, doesn't work correctly on the other two that are hooked to the second GFX card.

 

The 8.1 boot runs dreams on all 5 monitors fluidly, smooth as a baby's ass.

WindowFX runs correctly on all 5 monitors and on the 32" LCD TV if I want it to.

 

This is only one example of how much better 8 handles resources.

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